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hi everybody this is Hiro paranormal and

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super stoked about today we've got

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philip mantle on the guy to talk to

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about this alien autopsy stuff there's a

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lot going around there are new documents

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which are bringing into question the

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traditional alien autopsy that we're

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familiar with and whether or not it's

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valid again this is something that

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everybody thought they had under wraps

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so we're gonna we're gonna talk to

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Phillip he's got a very unique insight

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and hopefully we have him on the line

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here let's see well good afternoon right

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a nice speak to you oh it's great it's

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great this is such a pleasure such an

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honor you've got so much information on

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the subject and I appreciate you making

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time to talk to me this is my pleasure I

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am NOT gonna show ya this is fascinating

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on there's so much going around right

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now what what are your thoughts on all

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this well I got a tip-off from a

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colleague right at the beginning of this

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year I won't I won't say his name but he

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just said you know Phillip it's a good

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time to be involved in these subjects I

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had no idea what I was talking about but

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of course he's been proven to be correct

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anyway so there you go it's true it's a

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great time to be alive it's

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you know there's there's so much coming

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back to the forefront of disclosure I'm

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surprised at all of these quote-unquote

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leaks and emails and it seems like

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there's such it's like a snowball

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rolling downhill it's gaining momentum

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and it just seems like every couple of

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weeks there's something new well yes I

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mean I let's hope that continues Ryan I

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mean you know having been involved in

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the subject for several decades now you

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know the subject does have its its peaks

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and troughs it's certainly had enough

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one of those peaks at the moment and you

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know it's not that long ago when with

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people certainly in the media was saying

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no UFOs are dead there's no interests

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there's nothing happening

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well hey presto there no sooner said

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that and look what happens that's right

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that's right and it's your interest in

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UFO research began quite a while ago

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yeah I mean let me sound really old

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there I am Cheers

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no I mean I bet that that that's I'm

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only joking no I I mean I I became

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interested in all things paranormal as a

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young as a young man in my my formative

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years as a teenager I'm 61 now anime I

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remember you know as a teenager my best

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friend's grandmother believed literally

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right across the road from us and I used

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to attend on occasion the spiritualist

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Church with it not Castle was a

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followers just there you know because I

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was interested and that was a sort of a

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first hand way if you like for someone

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of my age to you know dealing what we

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would call the paranormal and you know

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my interest progressed from there I

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think it's still there today you know

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for decades on yeah you know it sounds

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strange to me when I say for decades us

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two-thirds of my life I've been involved

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in this subject but there you go that's

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how we all began

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that's amazing and it's it's so true

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though it's with anything you're

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passionate about it seems like you know

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it time time doesn't really count and

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you but you blink and like you said for

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decades

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it just happens but you're you're still

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in it and that's that's that's what's

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amazing and I mean you you've written

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the definitive book on the alien autopsy

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film and it's you know by all intents

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and purposes the most controversial

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piece of film in the entire history of

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UFO research well it certainly is Ryan I

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mean there's no doubt about that I mean

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I was involved in it right from day one

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you know and in the thick of it and I've

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got a lot of criticism almost almost say

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at the time well that's the way it goes

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and you know I've often said it's the

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most controversial film of its kind

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probably in viewing figures it's only

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second to the Zapruder film of the

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kennedy assassination and again just

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like the apology in general when you

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think all interests in this film as

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disappeared for good you know it pops up

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again and and tends to bite you on the

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on the back side you know and I don't

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think interesting controversy in the

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film will ever go away again it will die

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down it will raise up again but it's

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certainly doing the rounds again as we

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speak and there are well I'll just cut

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to the chase there's there's talk you

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know everybody's seen for the most part

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if there's some interest I mean it's

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been played so much even on the mass

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media but everybody's most likely seen a

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snippet of the alien autopsy film and

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mr. man tell you yet you and others and

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now by the looks of it possibly there is

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another video well I don't know anything

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about another video okay so those are

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not informed ollie Oh

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briefly explain how things you know

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found out yeah not to confuse it but

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Rick it race until II am I saying that

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correctly yes yes is it possible that

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he's the owner of another film that just

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hasn't been released into the public

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domain yet oh we don't have a film that

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hasn't been released into the public how

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many cities no secret I mean I've seen

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it there's only a small handful of that

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I've seen it there my colleague Moritz

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you're my actor in Italy is one calling

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Andrews of the crop circle researchers

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possibly one or two others so there's

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only a handful actually see unit 8 is a

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you know there are tops you feel the

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with the same suit etc so so it's it's

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never been a secret I'm gonna even have

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a couple of poor quality still images

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from it in in my in my archives the only

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difference between that one and the one

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that everyone's seen either online or on

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TV is that there are no physical damages

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to the creature like no leg wound etc it

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much clearer it's a bit brighter to see

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and the they conduct a slightly

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different medical procedure and I have

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only ever seen it the once and those are

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my lasting memories and I have checked

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with the other gentleman that I've just

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mentioned and there and they remember

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that not as well so but it but it today

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yes that's just so fascinating just the

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possibility of another video there was

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so much controversy over well over the

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let's take a step back yes Ryan and when

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alien autopsy film what I want to make

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it clear he's there's actually five

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separate different films in play here

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ray would like to ignore most of them

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now I'm thinking about all beginning in

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1993 I was among other things the press

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officer for the British UFO Research

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Association and let's across my desk one

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day from a gentleman by the name of Ray

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the mailing group basically just a

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general letter asking if you for could

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assist in the making of a UFO

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documentary whose no mention of Roswell

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alien autopsies or anything I replied

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couple of letters go backwards and

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forwards and then I spoke to Ray

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Santilli on the phone he office was in

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north of London and again we thought you

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know vaguely about a UFO documentary and

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the course of these conversations ray

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at Roswell and the creatures been

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dissected now this is probably you know

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1994 by now so my response was show me

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and it can away yes I can no account yes

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so at the time you Father used to hold

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lectures and meetings in London at a

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in the sky the film of the help was

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opening in the UK and they were here to

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promote it so I invited rate essentially

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first time he told me about being in

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the old rock-and-roll stars before they

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off an old guy the old gentleman was

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said I've got some Rozell footage if

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you're interested they said I took an

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internal flight viewed this saw his his

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military papers these photos on his wall

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I met his family it's actually cetera so

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we shook hands on a deal that was the

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story told so I can the question was

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well show me it's great story

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just show me so it went on yes I can

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okay yes it can no account so I

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basically said ray look I don't believe

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you you know and then in in early 1995 I

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was sent a movie for review it was was

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well made by Paul Davies

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it was been released in the UK by Sony I

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believe only a small release but the

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centers of review copy and oh I want to

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fetch up some till he still claims out

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this was more footage now he given me

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his business care which are kept so

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picked you out of the folder give him a

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ring and he says yes I do have it fill

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it but you don't believe me as well I

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can't believe you until you show me so

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we said okay make an appointment with my

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secretary come to London I'll show you

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it's all I made the appointment my wife

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and I went to London and over the next

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coming months we were shown for

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different films by Ray Santilli the

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first one is called the tent cottage

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it's a very dark piece of film us about

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took about 12 minutes you see a creature

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on a slab but it's covered and just see

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the head and the hands and the feet to

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the far side there are two men in white

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coats

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material occasionally a man with his

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back to the camera the camera static

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it and there's an old lamp hanging from

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the ceiling so until he caught said this

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was a an examination of one of the dead

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aliens at Roswell actually on site at

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the crash scene so hence there's no

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electricity it's in a field tent if you

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like in the coming months you then with

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us to show us two separate autopsy films

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as I described earlier and then the

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fourth film was debris its wreckage you

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know from the crash allegedly and then

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much later on there was supposedly an

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interview with the the mysterious

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cameraman basically it's an old boy sat

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in a room with a list of questions in

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front of him and he just reads oh he

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just give it off the answers to the

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questions so what I should dealing with

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five separate films Ryan not just the

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one and not just not just two so what I

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did I was also beautiful as a conference

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organizer and in 1995 they already had a

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conference set up in Sheffield so I

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invited ray to show the film at the

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conference and he agreed and we shook

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hands on it and he turned up on the day

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showed it and it went around the world

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the following day on television he then

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did all the TV deals so that's how it

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all came out so fascinating the the fact

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is he you know Ray wasn't he as far as

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being with his pulse on everything he

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was right there I mean he was doing all

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kinds of stuff with people like Bob

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Marley and you know spiritual journey

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Elvis Presley yeah yeah I mean ray has a

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huge collection of pop memorabilia for

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example I was in his office one day and

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he had a few walks there and it was you

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know

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overjoyed and he took this pure water

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bought at auction and was a box full of

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unpublished photographs of the Beatles

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for example now I don't think he ever

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worked one-on-one with Bob Marley or

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anything like that what ray did he make

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videos about them he would license

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picture film from companies and put them

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together music was his main industry

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with licensed people's back catalogues

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are it would get a band together that

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had had hits and maybe really records

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some stuff that's how we met for example

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greats Presley reg was the lead singer

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of the trucks and reg wrote the song

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love is all around which was a huge hit

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many many years later of course suddenly

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Reggie's no longer with us so you know

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his office was on Baulkham Street in in

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London and it was three or four floors

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in this office people running up and

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down the stairs but so it was you know

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it's a small business but he seemed to

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be doing okay it's yeah he really I mean

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he was involved with a lot of a lot of

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culturally the top names at the time you

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would think that he would have

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connections that like this this footage

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you know this could come across his desk

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so to speak or especially it sounds like

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he was out there looking for it or

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looking to make it and it seems like it

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at least with ufology a lot of this has

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come this is just mind-blowing because I

330
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mean there's issues with the organs for

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example and some of the footage people

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have talked about the examination on

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site like you said with no electricity

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you know less light harder to tell I

335
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mean that's just fascinating and if it's

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really debris in the field that they're

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checking with bodies then this has kind

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of come full circle with the whole

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gimbal footage and I mean I mean they

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look like similar crafts whether

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reverse-engineered or not well you know

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rain was a buyer and seller and when I

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when I was first in touch with him I

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asked him what he intended to do this

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footage and he made it quite clear and

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open to any more

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you know I see he wanted to

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commercialize it at that time Ryan he he

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was going to place the on video and just

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say you know make his own little

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documentary I even wrote the documentary

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for him and he did he did have that

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available so in the early days there was

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no television involved nothing like that

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it was purely once the news of the film

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leaked out by accident that it seemed to

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you know take on a life of its own it

358
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took us all by surprise and I think that

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includes Ray Santilli he even had to set

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a gentleman on by the name of Chris

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Carrick to help with the negotiations

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with a television and the contract and

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so on I mean we were swamped quite

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literally and the conference that we

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showed it out you know we could have

366
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filled that the University it was in

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three times over you know no problem at

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all but Ray then faltered on a number of

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points first off I mean I was literally

370
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reviewing some of my old correspondence

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with Ray last night and he made numerous

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promises to provide not just me but one

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or two others with frames of film that

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had image of the creature on it or the

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wreckage that we could have tested to

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prove which his age I even lined up

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Kodak here in the UK there in Hemel I'm

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sitting hartfordshire only a short drive

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from where they actually lived at the

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time and close to Kodak here we also

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have the British Film Institute they'd

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even offered to assist ray at the time I

383
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mean he could literally drove to the

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place and walked in and handed it over

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himself you know if he was if he thought

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someone who didn't trust anybody well he

387
00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:37,679
could have done it himself he lived that

388
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clubs to it but of course he declined

389
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the offer he fudged it and fudged it and

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cause they kept saying that Kodak had

391
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already authenticated it when they

392
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hadn't and again i've reviewed my

393
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correspondence on that just to make sure

394
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i'm not just relying on my mail

395
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and you know it's like it's like you say

396
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no Ryan I've got a you know a Leonardo

397
00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:04,419
DaVinci painting in my attic but I've

398
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not had it authenticated then people

399
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,659
will say we're getting dumb you know if

400
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it's the real McCoy he's worth hundreds

401
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and millions of dollars and you say no

402
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I'm not going to be tested I'm just

403
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going to leave it there well this is the

404
00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:21,010
same with Ray in his film had it been

405
00:20:25,409 --> 00:20:23,590
authenticated then you could have named

406
00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:25,419
your price it would have been the most

407
00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:28,750
valuable piece of film on earth but that

408
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,289
didn't happen so what I sort of agreed

409
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with myself if you like is that to Ray

410
00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:40,210
Allen public I would support the film's

411
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authenticity but behind the scenes I was

412
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trying my damndest working with

413
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colleagues around the world to try and

414
00:20:52,889 --> 00:20:50,860
get to the bottom of it and you know

415
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what I saw it I thought this film needs

416
00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:55,330
to get out into the public domain that's

417
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why I asked today to show it at our

418
00:21:02,009 --> 00:20:59,649
conference knowing full well it would

419
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:02,019
attract media attention what we didn't

420
00:21:05,879 --> 00:21:04,210
know is it in between you know the media

421
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would become interested and it would be

422
00:21:08,399 --> 00:21:07,960
sold to television companies around the

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world

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so once the film got out you know into

425
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the general public I was expecting

426
00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:20,289
somebody somewhere to come forward and

427
00:21:25,409 --> 00:21:22,710
say I'm one of the actors in there or I

428
00:21:29,419 --> 00:21:25,419
surprised the props or it was my studio

429
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:29,429
was filmed in whatever or alternatively

430
00:21:34,830 --> 00:21:33,010
my grandfather told me about this and I

431
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:34,840
believe that's my grandfather you know

432
00:21:39,090 --> 00:21:36,730
or whatever but nothing

433
00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:39,100
I mean absolute silent Italy the

434
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:42,220
tumbleweed scenario right not a thing

435
00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:45,250
one way or the other and by this time

436
00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:48,190
the the the Internet it was in its

437
00:21:55,789 --> 00:21:52,990
infancy and it was the first UFO battle

438
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,799
online if you like with with you know

439
00:22:00,960 --> 00:21:58,000
comments going backwards and forwards

440
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:00,970
across around the world and that's how

441
00:22:07,169 --> 00:22:06,250
it all began it is from it's very

442
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,179
inception

443
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:10,960
it's been very polarizing for for you

444
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:13,450
know the UFO community because there's

445
00:22:19,589 --> 00:22:16,809
the issue if it's real or if there is

446
00:22:22,649 --> 00:22:19,599
any validity to you know snippets of the

447
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film or another one being real whether

448
00:22:27,709 --> 00:22:25,179
and now there is communication that

449
00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:27,719
there's a good possibility of that and

450
00:22:34,109 --> 00:22:32,049
if it's real you have issues with

451
00:22:36,659 --> 00:22:34,119
ufology and then if it's not real you

452
00:22:38,369 --> 00:22:36,669
have issues with ufology and I always

453
00:22:42,659 --> 00:22:38,379
tend to be very careful in something

454
00:22:44,909 --> 00:22:42,669
people people claim something is totally

455
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:44,919
debunked because you run into this so

456
00:22:55,139 --> 00:22:49,690
often and and it's usually with the very

457
00:22:58,259 --> 00:22:55,149
most important stuff and it in my

458
00:23:00,299 --> 00:22:58,269
opinion I mean at the time that some of

459
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these snippets of this film have gotten

460
00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:03,190
out there were doctors and pathologists

461
00:23:10,259 --> 00:23:07,479
and multiple you know medical personnel

462
00:23:12,539 --> 00:23:10,269
who believed that this was real and a

463
00:23:14,129 --> 00:23:12,549
living being just because of

464
00:23:16,259 --> 00:23:14,139
decompression and the way a body would

465
00:23:19,289 --> 00:23:16,269
react and you know what they were

466
00:23:21,060 --> 00:23:19,299
looking at on film so if you know

467
00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:21,070
obviously everybody agrees that if it

468
00:23:27,089 --> 00:23:22,779
was hoaxed and/or the parts that were

469
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:27,099
hoax were done very well however what

470
00:23:33,269 --> 00:23:30,059
where was the information coming from

471
00:23:35,989 --> 00:23:33,279
you know to be done so well it seems

472
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:35,999
like there is like that tire that

473
00:23:43,619 --> 00:23:39,089
connection to he had a very real

474
00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:43,629
connection to someone who had possibly

475
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:45,940
seen alien bodies or had alien bodies or

476
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:49,570
was in possession or could get them

477
00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:52,570
there are at least footage to him well

478
00:23:56,430 --> 00:23:54,190
you know that would be lovely if it was

479
00:23:59,839 --> 00:23:56,440
to Ryan but unfortunately it's not I

480
00:24:05,519 --> 00:23:59,849
mean what happened was the first thing

481
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:05,529
when Santilli sold a package to Fox for

482
00:24:11,549 --> 00:24:08,289
example for their show alien autopsy

483
00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:11,559
fact or fiction it included the tent

484
00:24:18,389 --> 00:24:15,190
footage one it one one autopsy film and

485
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:18,399
the wreckage debris film at the last

486
00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:20,809
minute ray Paul

487
00:24:25,779 --> 00:24:23,559
the tenth cottage with a wishy-washy

488
00:24:27,159 --> 00:24:25,789
explanation that now

489
00:24:30,129 --> 00:24:27,169
I mean we're gonna would already been

490
00:24:32,499 --> 00:24:30,139
talking about this for coming on two

491
00:24:35,950 --> 00:24:32,509
years he said the cameraman wasn't sure

492
00:24:40,389 --> 00:24:35,960
about that so it was something fishy

493
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:40,399
there we move forward in time and I was

494
00:24:43,779 --> 00:24:42,169
contacted by a gentleman and he said I

495
00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:43,789
know something about the alien autopsy

496
00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:47,240
film so we spoke and he told me that the

497
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:50,749
temporal judge had actually been made by

498
00:24:56,529 --> 00:24:53,960
a company called aka music a case stood

499
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,539
for Andy and Keith Keith Lee and Keith

500
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,600
Eggman so I tracked down mr. Bateman and

501
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,720
I interviewed him and he said yes and he

502
00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:05,840
told me you know I have even interviewed

503
00:25:09,639 --> 00:25:07,700
the gentleman all made is that we used

504
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:09,649
to have a said I didn't work for Ray

505
00:25:16,019 --> 00:25:11,090
Santilli we used to work together

506
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:16,029
sometimes and Keith's main business was

507
00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:19,580
karaoke videos and he said when I'm in a

508
00:25:23,769 --> 00:25:21,820
chat one day and somebody says one of my

509
00:25:26,049 --> 00:25:23,779
colleagues said it wouldn't be great if

510
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:26,059
we had some Roswell film because he was

511
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:27,830
reading a book about Roswell sad

512
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:29,809
gentlemen was called Phillip Yaman I've

513
00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:33,470
interviewed Phillip and it with a light

514
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:39,080
bulb in Keith's mind Keith went away and

515
00:25:44,649 --> 00:25:41,090
actually made the tent for teach in a

516
00:25:46,419 --> 00:25:44,659
barn in Bedfordshire the two doctors in

517
00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:46,429
white coat there actually is employees

518
00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:48,830
one of them is called Elliot for example

519
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:51,830
the guy you see walking in front of the

520
00:25:58,629 --> 00:25:54,169
camera on occasion is the farmer said

521
00:26:02,379 --> 00:25:58,639
and so Keith told us and his employees

522
00:26:03,999 --> 00:26:02,389
not just Keith that he took this 10-foot

523
00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:04,009
huge film watch which was originally

524
00:26:10,989 --> 00:26:08,360
shot in color and and then changed to

525
00:26:13,419 --> 00:26:10,999
black and white on the computer took it

526
00:26:15,609 --> 00:26:13,429
to sentence Leo what about this alien

527
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:15,619
autopsy they said I'm sorry but that's

528
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:16,490
not good enough

529
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:18,710
we need something much clearer and much

530
00:26:25,749 --> 00:26:23,570
brighter go away and get me a you know a

531
00:26:29,049 --> 00:26:25,759
quilt of how much it would cost to make

532
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:29,059
some real stuff so he came back with a

533
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:30,769
quote so until he said now that's too

534
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:33,049
much thank you very much but he kept

535
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:35,000
hold of the

536
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:37,370
the 10th footage and I'm gonna admit Rea

537
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:38,870
that was the first piece of film he

538
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:41,330
showed me same with the other gentleman

539
00:26:45,490 --> 00:26:43,100
I mentioned it is the one each he showed

540
00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:45,500
them he actually gave me a copy on video

541
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,680
which I still have to this very day then

542
00:26:54,010 --> 00:26:50,960
quite by chance we move forward in time

543
00:26:57,210 --> 00:26:54,020
now to early 1995 he's already invented

544
00:27:00,940 --> 00:26:57,220
this story of this mysterious cameraman

545
00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:00,950
he met with a gentleman called Spiros

546
00:27:09,070 --> 00:27:06,620
Morris at a TV festival in France and

547
00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:09,080
ray told him this fanciful story so when

548
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:11,900
they got back home spinoffs went to see

549
00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:14,330
him and ray again showed him the tent

550
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:16,060
for teaching that's but also that fake

551
00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:19,460
you know that's not shot on film that's

552
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:22,940
shot on video so ray gave him this story

553
00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:24,650
about he'd paid a lot of money for their

554
00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:29,420
successor which he hadn't so Spiros spin

555
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:34,520
off Morris was a magician filmmaker is

556
00:27:39,910 --> 00:27:38,150
an artist it's got a number of students

557
00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:39,920
to beast Bowl but in those days he was a

558
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:44,270
he was a filmmaker but he said I'll tell

559
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:47,570
you what I can make you something very

560
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:50,350
convincing my best friend is a top-rate

561
00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:53,570
sculptor called John Humphrys so they

562
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:54,620
agreed on it

563
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:57,050
Raley's business partner a german by the

564
00:28:03,220 --> 00:27:59,570
name of Volker Spielberg put up the

565
00:28:05,530 --> 00:28:03,230
money which was 30,000 pounds they

566
00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:05,540
actually designed it

567
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:08,120
spiros designed it built the setting

568
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:12,530
he's his sister's apartment in Camden in

569
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:13,730
London because she was having it

570
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,080
renovated anyway so you know and he got

571
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:20,000
his girlfriend in on the act she did all

572
00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:22,300
the medical research

573
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:25,430
his friend was involved his brother was

574
00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:29,930
involved and they and John Humphrys made

575
00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:33,320
the creeks chef made the dummies now the

576
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:36,500
first one they made when they played it

577
00:28:42,850 --> 00:28:40,850
back Spiro sirs

578
00:28:44,050 --> 00:28:42,860
girlfriend who have done the medical

579
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:44,060
research to it we've done that wrong

580
00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:47,450
there's a some medical technique they

581
00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:48,920
did was

582
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,080
wrong and they said if that goes out

583
00:28:57,550 --> 00:28:54,320
nobody will believe that so by this

584
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,560
sound it's spent the whole budget so

585
00:29:01,060 --> 00:28:59,600
Spiro says don't worry I'll pay for

586
00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:01,070
another one doing tomorrow

587
00:29:06,670 --> 00:29:04,460
so that reset the mold then another

588
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:06,680
dummy this time the dummy turn out again

589
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:08,810
with a whole tonic they had a big hole

590
00:29:12,850 --> 00:29:10,760
big air pocket in its legs so they

591
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,860
improvise they got to the butchers got

592
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:15,440
some bowls and bits and pieces stop that

593
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:18,290
in there and burnt it and filmed another

594
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,770
one that one it's the one that everyone

595
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:23,840
is singing on television or online or

596
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:26,810
wherever the first one they made no one

597
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:29,450
has seen apart from a handful of us we

598
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:32,810
then went on to make the debris film now

599
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:35,930
the difference is what spirit is telling

600
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:39,320
us is that there was no film rated now

601
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:40,970
I'm in the original film there was no

602
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:44,330
images to work from he designed it with

603
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:47,510
some import from John Humphrys John

604
00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:49,730
Boehner sculptor had studied Anatomy and

605
00:29:56,260 --> 00:29:54,380
things like that and the idea was that

606
00:29:59,770 --> 00:29:56,270
they would release it into the public

607
00:30:02,560 --> 00:29:59,780
domain say nothing but then six months

608
00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:02,570
or so down the line it would all come

609
00:30:08,410 --> 00:30:05,030
out and say this is how we did it there

610
00:30:10,390 --> 00:30:08,420
and hopefully you know he would get some

611
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:10,400
more work from that maybe John Humphrys

612
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:12,530
would and so on but every time he went

613
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,170
back to Ray Santilli said are we doing

614
00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:16,880
ray said are we've not made any money

615
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:18,440
I'm still trying to make my original

616
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:20,800
money back there was no original money

617
00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:23,690
spirits not interested in the subject a

618
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:26,150
busy man his business was you know was

619
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:29,330
doing well so off he went I'm basically

620
00:30:33,970 --> 00:30:31,190
you know didn't really care too much

621
00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:33,980
about it and that's how the alien

622
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:36,590
autopsy came into being Ryan there is no

623
00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:39,770
film rat despite whatever sampling all

624
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:42,500
this power carry Schofield may say it

625
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,970
just does not exist I'm afraid do you

626
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:50,000
believe there's been some rumours and

627
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,270
and there's so many rumors it on all

628
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:55,760
sides of this like like we spoke it's so

629
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,700
polarizing just because they're the

630
00:31:02,410 --> 00:30:59,840
possibility I think gets people so

631
00:31:04,510 --> 00:31:02,420
excited and

632
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:04,520
but there has been some tough do you

633
00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:07,550
think anything that Ray was into was

634
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:09,680
possibly disinformation or he was

635
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:14,600
involved with some kind of SIOP or no

636
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:17,330
Joe I mean racist was a small-time

637
00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:21,130
businessman operating out of a form of

638
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:26,180
dwelling in in London just don't piss

639
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:30,010
off the West End certainly wasn't

640
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:32,300
rolling in money although his business

641
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:34,250
was doing ok but I look a bit I mean I

642
00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:37,640
don't know but at same with Spiros Varys

643
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,300
was a you know say a magician and a

644
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:44,480
filmmaker no connection I went to school

645
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:46,040
I didn't believe spill-off of course

646
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:47,690
when he finally tracked him down many

647
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:50,450
years later I went to his home he showed

648
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,190
me his Diaries from the time he actually

649
00:32:00,100 --> 00:31:56,000
quite a good artist

650
00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:00,110
so we painted a story pod how he how

651
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:01,460
this was going to be amazed

652
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:05,150
I saw his faxes that he had from Kodak

653
00:32:10,030 --> 00:32:07,370
check you know what Edge code they

654
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:10,040
weren't needed on it he kind of used box

655
00:32:16,090 --> 00:32:13,370
full of a file full of their pictures of

656
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:16,100
US military vehicles and he said he was

657
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:17,540
going to actually use one of them in

658
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:19,280
another piece of film because rather

659
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,950
early days race somebody has to race

660
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:23,510
down till late why he thought it was

661
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:25,910
genuine and he said it was when I saw

662
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:28,580
President Truman on the film he could

663
00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:30,410
see himself clearly it could read his

664
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:33,380
lips got Truman's nowhere to be seen

665
00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:38,750
so what Spiros wanted to do was to film

666
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:41,240
a crash scene with a saucer in the

667
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:43,490
background and in Ministry trucks it was

668
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:45,950
going to make and that particular truck

669
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:47,570
the reason he chose it because he could

670
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:49,910
see the license plate on the back so if

671
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:51,770
you weren't injecting the record center

672
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:53,260
you will be able to find it that was a

673
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:56,090
genuine military tuck not something just

674
00:33:01,240 --> 00:32:59,690
invented and he'd even got someone to

675
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:01,250
play Truman they were just going to do

676
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,580
his face with prosthetics and tell him

677
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:06,080
what to say although you wouldn't be

678
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:07,700
able to hear it there was no mean old

679
00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:09,620
sound but if you've got a lip reader it

680
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:11,900
could be these lips but but that never

681
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:13,550
happened but that was that was in the

682
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:15,530
planning

683
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:18,270
and all kinds of other things Spiros

684
00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:20,130
showed me so he could support what he

685
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:22,940
was saying with his documentary evidence

686
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:27,120
well essentially could not support

687
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,310
anything here's a few little poses for

688
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:31,440
you just to think about right but

689
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,410
although when you see the film you see

690
00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:37,260
the creature laid out on the table you

691
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,660
see a photo or column a doctor and a

692
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:41,640
nurse the doctor cuts the opened the

693
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:45,600
nurse assists behind it on the wall is a

694
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,090
a glass window with a person behind the

695
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:53,820
window now if you look at that person

696
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:56,010
behind the window he's wearing a

697
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,650
surgical mask why would you need to

698
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,690
learn a surgical mask if he's already

699
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:03,360
behind a glass window when you look at

700
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:05,460
the doctor and the nurse that in these

701
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:09,570
white biohazard suits if you like when

702
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:12,030
you look at this slit we've got to see

703
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:14,129
through them they're operating on the

704
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:16,110
the most important creature that's ever

705
00:34:20,090 --> 00:34:17,730
been unearthed and they can hardly see

706
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:20,100
what they're doing well the reason for

707
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:28,970
facial panel on a biohazard suit you can

708
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:31,110
see the people's faces same with the

709
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:33,450
gentleman behind the window no reason

710
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,090
for him to be wearing a surgical mask

711
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,440
the mask is there to hide his face

712
00:34:43,879 --> 00:34:39,540
because of the a gentleman called gareth

713
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:43,889
watson by the way so not only that when

714
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:46,020
you look at the biohazard suits and no

715
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:48,300
one anybody listening to this does not

716
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,770
have to believe me they can do their

717
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,280
research themselves today check out the

718
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:55,379
biohazard suit that they're wearing in

719
00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:57,690
the alien autopsy film go and see if you

720
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:00,930
can find one that's identical you won't

721
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:03,540
be able to find it because race until he

722
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:05,700
made the suits they are a one-off and he

723
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:07,980
still has one actually so you won't be

724
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:10,290
able to find them so he's going to say

725
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:13,260
that there was make special biohazard

726
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:15,540
suits just for this event that would

727
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:18,570
take however long to make you know

728
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:20,180
certainly couldn't make another base

729
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:23,070
would you not just use the normal

730
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:26,970
biohazard suit that was available why

731
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:28,470
would the gentleman ban the Glasgow

732
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:28,890
wearing

733
00:35:35,059 --> 00:35:32,339
a surgical mask he's like so doesn't

734
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:35,069
make any sense so that will just give

735
00:35:39,319 --> 00:35:36,900
you some little things to look at you

736
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:39,329
don't have to trust me you can do your

737
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:42,420
own research there so there's no

738
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:45,960
connection with any form of intelligence

739
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:49,500
this is not disinformation you know Ray

740
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:52,049
milked it for every penny he could make

741
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:54,390
and he made a lot of money out of it and

742
00:36:00,769 --> 00:35:58,140
of course in 2020 in 2006 he even made a

743
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,779
movie in which he made even more money

744
00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:02,760
and a lot of people in the states may

745
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:04,230
not have seen that it's simply called

746
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:09,660
alien autopsy and again now that the the

747
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:12,599
leaked documents a memo to to Bob

748
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:15,089
Bigelow has surfaced

749
00:36:22,359 --> 00:36:17,730
I'm actually even named in the memo my

750
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:22,369
name's in there it's it's you know it's

751
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,690
Santilli has popped up again with this

752
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:26,700
powell Gary shoe field shoe field lives

753
00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:29,430
and works now in the in the states and

754
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,869
if you can he will make another payday

755
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:32,640
out of it you will make all the same

756
00:36:35,809 --> 00:36:34,230
promises you made or originally I oh

757
00:36:37,999 --> 00:36:35,819
yeah I could give you a bit of film to

758
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,009
this down the other but it won't it

759
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:40,920
won't happen it can't happen studies no

760
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:44,490
film it is so funny

761
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:46,529
yeah the eye everything you're saying is

762
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,470
on point on target the you know I've

763
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:51,480
gone through that film so many times and

764
00:36:58,999 --> 00:36:55,140
there are so many questionable and even

765
00:37:02,329 --> 00:36:59,009
just every point that you every point

766
00:37:08,049 --> 00:37:02,339
that you just made you know is is 100%

767
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:08,059
accurate and it's it is kind of

768
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:12,119
attempting intrigued with this with this

769
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:18,079
new I get I guess release of information

770
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,420
you know by it it looks like like you

771
00:37:26,749 --> 00:37:23,400
said Bigelow and Eric Davis pertaining

772
00:37:28,339 --> 00:37:26,759
Midea alien autopsy film and you know

773
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:28,349
the memo like you said contains names

774
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:32,579
and activities and places and again

775
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:35,190
you're absolutely right Santilli this is

776
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:38,940
his statement it was F make sure I get

777
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:41,940
this right after he maintained that

778
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:44,609
there was still that it was a hoax but

779
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:46,109
it was a restoration of an original

780
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:48,650
footage undertaken with great expertise

781
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,630
basically he says that the film is a

782
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:53,520
remarkable statement two unique event

783
00:38:00,260 --> 00:37:56,760
but again gives no evidence supporting

784
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:00,270
you know where his where he saw this or

785
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:03,270
where he well if you think about it

786
00:38:07,339 --> 00:38:05,550
right let's assume for the sake of

787
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:07,349
argument here that Ray Santilli is

788
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,030
telling the truth okay

789
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:12,359
now we go back to remember he first

790
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:15,150
contacted me in 1993 about about this

791
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:19,230
and the cameraman was already his

792
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:21,990
cameraman was already an elderly

793
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:25,859
gentleman then so we know chop forward

794
00:38:31,819 --> 00:38:29,849
all these years surely if he was such a

795
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:31,829
person existed it would be now be

796
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:34,730
deceased soon there would be no reason

797
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:38,670
why Ray Santilli could not release the

798
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:41,310
name of the gentleman so that whoever

799
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:44,990
you me could go and check his military

800
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:48,630
career you know if you get his records

801
00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:53,369
or someone because he really did release

802
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:57,030
a statement allegedly by the cameraman

803
00:39:02,300 --> 00:38:58,890
saying I worked on this and I worked on

804
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:02,310
that and when they were checked there

805
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:04,440
was everybody that worked on those

806
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,750
particular projects was accounted for

807
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:07,920
there wasn't a whole mysterious

808
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:13,170
cameraman you know so you know again

809
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:15,900
there's no reason why Santilli after all

810
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:19,650
these years couldn't support what he's

811
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:21,569
saying with some information he said

812
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:24,270
there was great expertise used in the in

813
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:27,089
inverted commas recreation who were

814
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:31,050
these experts who made it if it's true

815
00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:33,810
what he is saying done it's a remarkable

816
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:38,069
job to take scraps of film and then from

817
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:40,950
the scraps of film make remember this

818
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:43,980
because ray likes people to forget not a

819
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:47,160
lot of people remember notice they're

820
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:48,990
not only made in warm l top see film

821
00:39:54,319 --> 00:39:51,180
they made - if you were going to make a

822
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:54,329
restoration Ryan why on earth would you

823
00:39:58,820 --> 00:39:55,650
make too

824
00:40:01,900 --> 00:39:58,830
and two there are different as well swag

825
00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:01,910
if I if you were a you know a painting

826
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,670
expert in restoring paintings and I

827
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:07,740
asked you out you know we had a we had a

828
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,840
fire in the lube and what we need we

829
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:12,180
need the Mona Lisa restoring Scott

830
00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:13,950
little bit of damage to it won't make

831
00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:18,440
two you know you can only lose a week

832
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:21,270
you know sigh it's smiling and they

833
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:23,670
along you know sticking a finger up you

834
00:40:27,350 --> 00:40:25,470
know two different Mona Lisa's you'd

835
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:27,360
stick to the one you've got why make two

836
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:32,310
and who were the experts used you'd go a

837
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,430
few field on on the under on online the

838
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:37,500
other day after a business partner you

839
00:40:43,850 --> 00:40:40,710
say Kodak had confirmed it my friend in

840
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:43,860
the sakes mark Center spoke to Kodak the

841
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:47,160
actual person that they contact

842
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:49,530
basically she field walk in off the

843
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:55,200
street in Hollywood to to Kodak they saw

844
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,300
a gentleman called Lauren I think it's

845
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,540
Lauren's Kate and they said can you know

846
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,880
can you identify it they gave him a bit

847
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:04,800
of silk with no image on it and just

848
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:07,170
identified the edge codes on it told

849
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,480
that he was a Chicano for the ears and

850
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:12,960
that was it at their encounter with cold

851
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:16,880
that lasted about 20 seconds you know

852
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,370
but but you feel said we had codec and

853
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:22,920
other experts where the gentleman he was

854
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:25,830
speaking to follow that up and say which

855
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:28,920
other experts got it tell me you know

856
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,810
and you say oh it would have been

857
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:31,980
probably said something like oh we're

858
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,450
not allowed to mention it it was behind

859
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:35,880
closed doors it was all windows you know

860
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:38,280
you know the experts don't exist

861
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:43,010
cold app did not authenticated mm-hmm

862
00:41:49,460 --> 00:41:47,370
right so so why would in this position

863
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:49,470
now Ryan it's because in the in the memo

864
00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:52,290
that was as being late it was sent to

865
00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:55,980
Bob Bigelow various people mentioning it

866
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:58,110
copied in it but it's basically

867
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:01,800
clarifying the points by dr. kik green

868
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:04,320
kicked green work for the CIA on their

869
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:06,690
so-called weird desk very well-qualified

870
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:08,530
gentleman MD

871
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:13,390
PhD and so on and he claimed and I'm not

872
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:16,180
discounting these claims III have no I

873
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:18,550
cannot do that because I don't know but

874
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:20,940
in one of them he said he was shown

875
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:25,470
autopsy his autopsy photos by the CIA

876
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:28,600
which are exactly the same as the alien

877
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:32,530
autopsy film and you know therefore it

878
00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:35,980
must be real well they can't have been

879
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:38,200
exactly the same because he's claiming

880
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:40,750
he was shown these items in I believe in

881
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:45,250
the 1980s and the alien autopsy film was

882
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:49,900
not conceived until 1995 it didn't exist

883
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:53,680
in any form until 1995 so I'm not

884
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:56,350
accusing dr. Greene of lying or anything

885
00:43:01,410 --> 00:42:58,770
like that in fact you know in my book

886
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:01,420
Roswell alien autopsy I have a number of

887
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:03,130
people in there don't claim to have seen

888
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:07,720
this film prior to 1995 however the

889
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,430
interesting part is Ryan none of them

890
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:11,880
actually went on the record prior to

891
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:14,590
1995 they only came out and said this

892
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:16,870
after the film had been on television so

893
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:21,130
I would I would say perhaps you know but

894
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:23,670
if calm fabulous on is at work here

895
00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:27,520
so I don't know but what I've said to

896
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,990
certain researchers are saying well

897
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:30,880
surely surely this Philips ship I said

898
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:33,820
no it's what this gentleman is saying is

899
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:37,120
impossible I'm not saying the memos

900
00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:38,860
faked or anything like that I'm not

901
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:41,470
saying it wasn't briefed by the CIA all

902
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,320
I'm saying is it was impossible for him

903
00:43:52,610 --> 00:43:47,160
to have seen the exact same thing in

904
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:52,620
1919 ATS it wasn't made until 1995

905
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:56,170
simple as that you know and and that's

906
00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:58,210
what's got people excited is doctor

907
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:01,180
stopped to kick green cities so then it

908
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:05,590
must be I believe from what I've been

909
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,530
told by a colleague that that dr. green

910
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:11,440
has since reversed that chair that

911
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:13,540
scenario but we're waiting a full

912
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:15,630
statement time so I won't go any further

913
00:44:21,309 --> 00:44:19,750
what I did when I receive these this

914
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:21,319
document before it went

915
00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:23,150
online I've contacted someone that's

916
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,039
named in it I'm not going to kill his

917
00:44:29,739 --> 00:44:27,920
name is us he is asked me not so but

918
00:44:33,009 --> 00:44:29,749
he's one of those name in the document

919
00:44:36,729 --> 00:44:33,019
and I just said is it really offensive

920
00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:36,739
then you say yeah and I said well what

921
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:38,420
about your comments on the earth alien

922
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:41,209
autopsy film he says since that time er

923
00:44:45,729 --> 00:44:43,910
our comments have been reversed in other

924
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,739
words they no longer believe it's it's

925
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:47,119
real well that's fine

926
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:50,180
I know lucky of that you know and I

927
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:52,670
don't have the contact details for dr.

928
00:44:55,779 --> 00:44:53,119
Chickering

929
00:44:59,319 --> 00:44:55,789
someone's already in contact with him so

930
00:45:01,029 --> 00:44:59,329
I would suggest we leave it with him and

931
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:01,039
let's let him get a full statement from

932
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,839
him and then take it from there but

933
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:04,880
there is no way you can have seen the

934
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:07,130
same thing in the 1980s it's as simple

935
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:07,640
as that

936
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,529
and of course you know people are

937
00:45:14,380 --> 00:45:12,079
reinventing the wheel now Orion sound

938
00:45:16,449 --> 00:45:14,390
till he's been on the phone that's all

939
00:45:18,749 --> 00:45:16,459
one gentleman announced that they'd just

940
00:45:21,489 --> 00:45:18,759
spoken to Ray Santilli as if it was some

941
00:45:23,439 --> 00:45:21,499
you know great task trying to get hold

942
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:23,449
of him as if Santilli have been a hermit

943
00:45:27,459 --> 00:45:25,369
in a cave somewhere for 20 years and

944
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:27,469
couldn't be located all the actor has to

945
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:28,940
do is ask me I'll give you this from

946
00:45:33,069 --> 00:45:31,160
them but I can use email access Thank

947
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:33,079
You Beauty to dress wedding lives snake

948
00:45:39,069 --> 00:45:36,440
bait you know for research purposes only

949
00:45:41,259 --> 00:45:39,079
of course I wouldn't give it out really

950
00:45:44,739 --> 00:45:41,269
knew it but it's no big deal I've been

951
00:45:48,249 --> 00:45:44,749
in sporadic contact with him on and off

952
00:45:50,529 --> 00:45:48,259
down the years you know so I but there

953
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,539
was this great triumph

954
00:45:55,809 --> 00:45:52,880
oh we've spoken to Ray Santilli if it's

955
00:45:57,939 --> 00:45:55,819
something marvelous I don't think so but

956
00:46:01,839 --> 00:45:57,949
anyway you know if they want to reinvent

957
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:01,849
the wheel you know it's up to them and I

958
00:46:05,949 --> 00:46:03,650
think you're absolutely right some

959
00:46:07,420 --> 00:46:05,959
people there's a point where they hear

960
00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:07,430
if somebody worked for the Central

961
00:46:14,289 --> 00:46:11,150
Intelligence Agency that you know like

962
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:14,299
you said they're there wink-wink

963
00:46:17,289 --> 00:46:15,410
nudge-nudge

964
00:46:19,299 --> 00:46:17,299
is I like that comment you said that

965
00:46:21,549 --> 00:46:19,309
it's all cloak-and-dagger and it seems

966
00:46:23,469 --> 00:46:21,559
like a lot of these stories they were

967
00:46:27,819 --> 00:46:23,479
using a lot of that cloak-and-dagger to

968
00:46:31,269 --> 00:46:27,829
get out of any kind of real basis and

969
00:46:33,279 --> 00:46:31,279
they emphasize that path now dr. kik

970
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:33,289
Green I mean there was a hillock he was

971
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:34,550
involved with that

972
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:36,650
could it be that he just saw so much

973
00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:39,369
weird stuff come across the weird desk

974
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:44,780
that he was more apt to believe well I

975
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:47,630
don't know I can't comment on mr. green

976
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:49,190
I don't know I mean I've never any

977
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:51,710
correspondence with him the way I looked

978
00:46:56,109 --> 00:46:54,320
at trying to keep trying and it's not a

979
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:56,119
hundred percent scientific to

980
00:47:00,340 --> 00:46:58,130
authenticate the document was first

981
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:00,350
asked someone that's named in it other

982
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:03,080
than me if it's if it's culture I did

983
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:06,800
that and they said yes then I am briefly

984
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:09,650
mentioned in it where it's when Bob

985
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,690
Bigelow run it's the National Institute

986
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:14,480
for discovery sciences one of the

987
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:16,850
gentlemen here always calm Kelleher comb

988
00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:20,750
you know I contacted me way back with a

989
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:23,900
few emails and I put him into the best

990
00:47:28,570 --> 00:47:25,610
but my recollection I put him in touch

991
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:28,580
with Santilli I did that a thousand

992
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:30,710
times with different people Ryan young

993
00:47:34,570 --> 00:47:32,150
male that many of them read the other

994
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:34,580
one with what a and they were unable to

995
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:39,260
find him and what calm Kelleher says is

996
00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:41,030
that Ray Santilli supplied them with a

997
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:45,220
beta cam video of the alien autopsy

998
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:49,460
that's an industry used type of video

999
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:52,310
tapes much better quality than your VHS

1000
00:47:58,030 --> 00:47:55,220
and so on from that they made good

1001
00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:58,040
quality copies well that look that kind

1002
00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:00,740
of fits as well because I knew race Alan

1003
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:02,300
T race until he did that kind of thing

1004
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,280
simply because he gave me a piece of

1005
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:07,280
camp copy of the film I still have it

1006
00:48:11,470 --> 00:48:08,900
here in my office today can't play the

1007
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:11,480
dancing bad habits from what I did at

1008
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:13,190
the time I give it to a colleague of

1009
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:15,260
mine who worked in the TV I think was a

1010
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:18,170
TV on but he certainly had access to the

1011
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:21,380
industry equipment and he made some very

1012
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:23,900
good quality copies of the film etc and

1013
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:26,180
put them on a CD with rays of permission

1014
00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:28,670
that we use then for for research

1015
00:48:32,109 --> 00:48:30,470
purposes and he sent me the tape back

1016
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:32,119
and and it's still here on my on my on

1017
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:35,570
my shelf as we speak so if you put those

1018
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:37,970
three things together yes the gentleman

1019
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:41,510
in it says that they're authentic I do

1020
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:43,880
remember being been in contact with

1021
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:46,790
comme Kelleher and sending over booty

1022
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,300
camp film is how

1023
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:51,150
to put those three things together can

1024
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:53,640
you leads me that probably probably that

1025
00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:57,060
the memo is the genuine article that's

1026
00:49:01,850 --> 00:48:59,580
all I can say I can't comment on on what

1027
00:49:04,220 --> 00:49:01,860
Queen says about being briefed by the

1028
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,230
CIA several time and shown certain

1029
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:06,780
things you know I I have no idea that

1030
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:10,320
that that's not that's not my my area or

1031
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:13,410
I can say to dr. green is there it did

1032
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,250
not see the same creature as on the

1033
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:19,440
alien autopsy film back in the 1980s

1034
00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:22,110
because it is impossible now there may

1035
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:24,030
be you know just because he is a doctor

1036
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:29,010
and a PhD you know he's still human at

1037
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:31,020
the end of the day you know and he still

1038
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:32,970
has human frailties like the rest of us

1039
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:36,750
do every one of us so you know maybe

1040
00:49:41,540 --> 00:49:39,090
calm fabulous is at work here again I

1041
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,550
don't know that's just a guess it's just

1042
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:44,280
an idea I'm not making any accusations I

1043
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:46,110
certainly don't see no reason why the

1044
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:49,290
gentleman would lie and look like I said

1045
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:51,840
a colleague of mine is hoping to get a

1046
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:54,390
full statement from dr. green so I think

1047
00:49:59,330 --> 00:49:56,940
it's best we wait until that happens and

1048
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,340
what I want to say we'll see what he has

1049
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:01,200
to say and then we can take it from

1050
00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:04,250
there can't wait absolutely in it's

1051
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:08,430
absolutely fascinating the the twists

1052
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,070
and turns and historically the way this

1053
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:13,200
thing has meandered because a lot of the

1054
00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:16,290
connections are are there in you know

1055
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:18,360
like you said people have Mistah sized

1056
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:21,780
kick green to the I mean he's been

1057
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,030
likened to the smoking man on the

1058
00:50:30,370 --> 00:50:26,640
x-files at that was you know the act is

1059
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:30,380
actually based on him there's so much

1060
00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:33,950
legend and myth surrounding this entire

1061
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:39,120
subject and it's it's interesting with

1062
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:42,810
the Edgar Mitchell files being released

1063
00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:46,530
because that in a way it almost seems

1064
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,470
like there's a dump of sorts and when

1065
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:51,420
you go down the Santilli the Ray

1066
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:55,290
Santilli Road there's connections to

1067
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,530
Pandolfi Ron Pandolfi and then there's

1068
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:00,720
connections to Grant Cameron

1069
00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:03,270
and then grant Cameron actually if I'm

1070
00:51:11,810 --> 00:51:07,470
not mistaken is very involved with these

1071
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:11,820
Edgar Mitchell files and then like you

1072
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:13,530
said when the Bigelow organization

1073
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,450
becomes involved it just kind of blows

1074
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:18,240
the lid right off of everything and it

1075
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:20,250
becomes a free-for-all because you have

1076
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:22,890
names like Eric Davis involved Colm

1077
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:24,510
Kelleher the National Institute for

1078
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:27,750
discovery science and this these are

1079
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:30,300
people that are you know at face value

1080
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:33,570
taken quite seriously at least in their

1081
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:38,850
perspective genre and it seems like it

1082
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:41,190
at least in my opinion it seems like

1083
00:51:48,110 --> 00:51:45,330
with all of the recent media disclosure

1084
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:48,120
if we want to call it that with the to

1085
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:51,590
the stars Academy which brings in a

1086
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:54,390
whole other arm of individuals who are

1087
00:52:00,620 --> 00:51:58,890
working together it seems and it when

1088
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:00,630
you when you bring this all together it

1089
00:52:08,540 --> 00:52:04,650
seems like this media inundation of of

1090
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:08,550
UFO you know the Nimitz the tic-tac-toe

1091
00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:12,090
gimbal and it's it's it's bringing an

1092
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:15,060
authenticity to it yet it seems that

1093
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:18,150
everything is being thrown at the

1094
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:20,550
populace so to speak at the same time

1095
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,410
and and I know at the time that this

1096
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,140
came out this Edgar Mitchell file the

1097
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:27,180
week before there were some issues with

1098
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:29,610
I believe Louella Sandow there were

1099
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:32,310
questions it was questionable as ties to

1100
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:33,480
the Pentagon even though there were

1101
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:35,250
tides and I don't want to get into all

1102
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:37,470
that I know that lose a stand-up guy and

1103
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,690
I've met him but I think that a lot of

1104
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:42,960
people are being used but they don't

1105
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:45,830
know it and and what I mean by that is

1106
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:48,470
just because things are thrown on

1107
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:51,540
mainstream media like you know here we

1108
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:55,700
had the legitimacy of the Navy pilots

1109
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:01,470
sorry the pilots seen the UFOs and then

1110
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,000
immediately you know that's by the New

1111
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:04,800
York Times The Washington Post all

1112
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:06,510
mainstream and then immediately

1113
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:08,010
afterwards we have the Edgar Mitchell

1114
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:10,170
files which brings all kinds of stuff

1115
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:11,670
about craft which we haven't even gotten

1116
00:53:16,070 --> 00:53:14,190
into but then these bodies

1117
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:16,080
and it brings in the alien autopsy film

1118
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:17,490
and all sudden everything's at the

1119
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:19,020
forefront and everybody's expected to

1120
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:24,090
just accept it and I wonder you know I'm

1121
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,730
glad that it's it's you know this is

1122
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,520
being questioned because we we shouldn't

1123
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:32,240
tell I mean I mean Ryan I mean you know

1124
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:35,940
what disappoints me is that I'm pretty

1125
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:38,790
well known within the u.s. old industry

1126
00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:40,890
if you want to call it that and I would

1127
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:42,840
have thought you know I would have been

1128
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:45,600
the first pot call for those wanting to

1129
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:48,710
check what was happening when once these

1130
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:51,810
this memo would have been leaked l but

1131
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:54,300
you know none of the people that you've

1132
00:53:59,660 --> 00:53:56,610
mentioned there ever bothered to contact

1133
00:54:02,330 --> 00:53:59,670
me I did it in reverse and I know what

1134
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:02,340
you know Lynn them all the house piece

1135
00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:04,200
on this culture about an hour and a half

1136
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:06,390
and she believed a hook line and sinker

1137
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:10,290
and all she's done is regurgitate all

1138
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:13,110
the tall tales told by Santilli and his

1139
00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:15,270
colleagues you know no no check-in I

1140
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:18,750
want what I've said to anybody you don't

1141
00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:19,710
have to believe me

1142
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:22,200
you can do your own checks you know I'll

1143
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:23,940
mention the people involved you can go

1144
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:25,650
and check up what I'm saying

1145
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,350
you know I had no reason to debunk this

1146
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:30,900
film I'm on that my reputation was on

1147
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:32,370
the line with this film I was even at

1148
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:34,290
one point called the race until his

1149
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:36,930
accomplice you know and people

1150
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:39,210
questioned him you know I came an

1151
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:42,090
example at the time Ryan when when they

1152
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:45,420
the film hit they're the headlines my

1153
00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:47,250
wife and I were having an extension

1154
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:49,620
built on our house something for circle

1155
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:50,970
where the man will get the money for

1156
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:53,310
that wait wait those nudge he doesn't

1157
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:54,210
have that kind of money

1158
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:56,610
well they were right I didn't my wife

1159
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,460
did you know she was an independent lady

1160
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:01,380
before we were married she had her own

1161
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,050
property which which sold and if some of

1162
00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:06,420
the money to build an extension you know

1163
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:07,790
where we're currently living

1164
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,440
it was wink-wink nudge-nudge you know

1165
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:13,200
and I I remember having lunch with

1166
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:15,810
Santilli in London one day and I just

1167
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:18,780
said you know ray I'll get to the bottom

1168
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:20,670
of this film one way on earth any good

1169
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:22,440
smile and so that's okay with me fill it

1170
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:25,080
and you know and that was it

1171
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:28,049
so it was made

1172
00:55:35,449 --> 00:55:33,209
as far as I was concerned Ryan and I I

1173
00:55:37,699 --> 00:55:35,459
was determined no matter how long it

1174
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:37,709
took I would get to the bottom of it and

1175
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:39,689
of course I did it just took me a long

1176
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:43,920
time so it kind of disappoints me when

1177
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,880
just because of a memo that hasn't been

1178
00:55:54,019 --> 00:55:50,640
authenticated yet people have taken it

1179
00:55:56,479 --> 00:55:54,029
at face value and you know they really

1180
00:56:00,620 --> 00:55:56,489
should know better and they're listening

1181
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:00,630
to Gary Sheffield erase antilles lies

1182
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:02,910
because that's what they are all over

1183
00:56:05,739 --> 00:56:03,420
again

1184
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:05,749
erase promised me some film and now

1185
00:56:10,939 --> 00:56:08,609
technologies much better today and we

1186
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:10,949
can test his film well technology and

1187
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:12,689
what would changed that much you know

1188
00:56:21,169 --> 00:56:16,380
like I said Kodak needed a couple of

1189
00:56:22,759 --> 00:56:21,179
frames of film to to test and they were

1190
00:56:24,769 --> 00:56:22,769
literally within a stone's throw from

1191
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:24,779
where Santilli lived it could have gone

1192
00:56:31,009 --> 00:56:28,170
and hand-delivered it but the fact that

1193
00:56:33,529 --> 00:56:31,019
he didn't speak to forums and he won't

1194
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:33,539
because he can't you know I mean the

1195
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,660
film was shot on 16 millimeter but

1196
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:38,400
contemporary filming got by 16

1197
00:56:44,449 --> 00:56:40,529
millimeter film now Ryan if you like by

1198
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:44,459
8 millimeter you know and so if you were

1199
00:56:51,469 --> 00:56:47,369
to test the film then it would come up

1200
00:56:53,689 --> 00:56:51,479
as being 1995 not 1947 ray makes all

1201
00:56:56,029 --> 00:56:53,699
kinds of excuses he will tell you

1202
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:56,039
sometimes it hasn't got any film and

1203
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:58,619
then I'll say yes he has no it hasn't

1204
00:57:04,099 --> 00:57:02,160
I'm not sure what his latest story is

1205
00:57:06,620 --> 00:57:04,109
whether he still claims to have a bit

1206
00:57:08,479 --> 00:57:06,630
odd or he doesn't eat you know it

1207
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:08,489
depends we speak to really the story

1208
00:57:14,779 --> 00:57:12,329
changes mm-hmm and it does it does seem

1209
00:57:17,779 --> 00:57:14,789
like there's a lot of smoke and mirrors

1210
00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:17,789
and you know with the run Pandolfi kick

1211
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:20,630
green you have UFO CIA connection and

1212
00:57:27,919 --> 00:57:23,160
where there's this implied top-secret

1213
00:57:30,939 --> 00:57:27,929
Ness there's there's you know just wild

1214
00:57:34,989 --> 00:57:30,949
stuff out there there's mind-control

1215
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:34,999
there's ties to you know s RI

1216
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:38,130
Scientology and you have a lot of these

1217
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:39,420
same names

1218
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:44,310
how put off Targ and you know now put

1219
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:46,770
off is with the to the Stars Academy and

1220
00:57:52,070 --> 00:57:50,370
and so there are these connections when

1221
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:52,080
you when you look at them and it's very

1222
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:55,410
interesting how how the information is

1223
00:58:04,150 --> 00:57:59,190
getting out to the mainstream it's it's

1224
00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:04,160
it really is kind of like you know

1225
00:58:09,550 --> 00:58:07,230
anything can just about make it it's

1226
00:58:12,860 --> 00:58:09,560
like fake news I guess

1227
00:58:15,860 --> 00:58:12,870
well you know what I mean I could say

1228
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:15,870
what you know the documents are recently

1229
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:19,170
being released soon yet to be

1230
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:22,500
authenticated but some people have taken

1231
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,780
them at face value they also technically

1232
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:26,880
I was listening to an interview with

1233
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:28,950
some Chili's business partner the other

1234
00:58:33,830 --> 00:58:31,350
day is called Gary Humphrey he lives in

1235
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:33,840
and worked in the States and that Elly's

1236
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:36,170
telling them stories I'm thinking we'll

1237
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:39,480
ask him the question asked him the

1238
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:41,820
question you know he said all the

1239
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:42,540
experts

1240
00:58:46,790 --> 00:58:44,820
check the film for authenticity well

1241
00:58:49,310 --> 00:58:46,800
asking will the experts work and they

1242
00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:49,320
just sit there you know don't say a word

1243
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:51,600
oh we've agreed with some telly to have

1244
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,330
the film tested in Hollywood well good

1245
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:56,040
luck mate because it will never happen

1246
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,140
you'll be Satya waiting in another

1247
00:59:02,120 --> 00:58:59,760
twenty years and it will give you

1248
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:02,130
another whole host of excuses as why you

1249
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:05,460
can't do it you know and I just checked

1250
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:07,500
my head absolutely look what you really

1251
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,180
should have have is when you were

1252
00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:11,160
speaking to shoot Fielding's have me on

1253
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:13,590
the line with him you know and I'm now

1254
00:59:18,020 --> 00:59:16,110
asking the questions you know if you're

1255
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:18,030
going to speak to Santilli I volunteer

1256
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:20,250
to do the same thing you know likelihood

1257
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:22,230
if you tell Ray Santilli off you'll feel

1258
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:23,850
that I'm one of the guest listening in

1259
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:25,590
I'm going to be asking questions they'll

1260
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:28,980
refuse anyway so what does that say you

1261
00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:33,810
know but it will be interesting to see

1262
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:36,300
whether where this where the story goes

1263
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:39,630
Ryan like I said you know I remember

1264
00:59:49,850 --> 00:59:43,050
telling Spiros malarious who when he he

1265
00:59:52,850 --> 00:59:49,860
came forward do nothing about in a in a

1266
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:52,860
great detail of how much success the

1267
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:53,220
alien

1268
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:55,340
autopsy film of being it was astonished

1269
01:00:00,200 --> 00:59:57,900
and I said to him then it will never go

1270
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:00,210
away and he didn't quite believe me I

1271
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,650
don't think but but now he does because

1272
01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:06,720
they you know it's just it's so

1273
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:09,300
engrained into popular culture Ryan you

1274
01:00:13,849 --> 01:00:11,190
know I've seen it in the states that

1275
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:13,859
male alien autopsy Halloween cakes you

1276
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:16,890
know this is one of the dummies was on

1277
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:19,020
display here in the UK something made

1278
01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:20,520
poor copy of it but it was on display

1279
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:24,060
this morning in a place in Japan you

1280
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:28,380
know I'm a copy of the creature so it's

1281
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:32,130
never gonna go away but it's really so

1282
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:35,970
ugly head again now and I'm just I'd

1283
01:00:41,570 --> 01:00:39,090
love to make a documentary shouting the

1284
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:41,580
alien autopsy from its products Genesis

1285
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:45,540
I know the man you know that first

1286
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:47,700
mentioned let's make some alien autopsy

1287
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:51,210
film as a bit joke you know right and

1288
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:52,890
I'd love to chat it right the way

1289
01:00:59,839 --> 01:00:56,400
through to these documents that's being

1290
01:01:02,089 --> 01:00:59,849
released so everyone can see it you know

1291
01:01:04,210 --> 01:01:02,099
and they can double check themselves

1292
01:01:06,050 --> 01:01:04,220
they don't have to believe me you know

1293
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:06,060
whether that will happen

1294
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:08,490
I doubt but it would be nice it would be

1295
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:11,670
nice so any documentary people listening

1296
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:15,119
you know there's an idea for you and and

1297
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:18,390
what we'll see what happens absolutely

1298
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:21,810
and I've just I'm just I feel so blessed

1299
01:01:27,740 --> 01:01:24,170
for you to you know when you mentioned

1300
01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:27,750
you know that people aren't you you were

1301
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:30,119
the first person that came to mind as

1302
01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:32,040
far as contacting in my opinion and I'm

1303
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:33,990
sure you did among other people who

1304
01:01:40,339 --> 01:01:37,710
haven't been heard so it's it's as far

1305
01:01:41,780 --> 01:01:40,349
as you know keeping tempo with reality I

1306
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:41,790
think that's what's important right now

1307
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:45,210
that we're so inundated and all this

1308
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,160
information we have to know what's false

1309
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:49,680
and what's real and I can't think of

1310
01:01:53,570 --> 01:01:51,930
anybody better than yourself too you

1311
01:01:55,310 --> 01:01:53,580
know with your connections and history

1312
01:01:58,550 --> 01:01:55,320
and I mean the number of books that

1313
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,560
you've written yeah what I've said Ryan

1314
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:01,200
and I anyone who's interested just

1315
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:04,730
contact me and I will give you a free

1316
01:02:09,769 --> 01:02:07,140
PDF copy of my book

1317
01:02:12,819 --> 01:02:09,779
no catches no sales no promotions

1318
01:02:16,099 --> 01:02:12,829
there's no catch to it and you can read

1319
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:16,109
you know everything in the book and if

1320
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:17,940
you want the names are there the things

1321
01:02:21,019 --> 01:02:19,049
that they can double check it for

1322
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:21,029
yourself I can for you can just delete

1323
01:02:25,819 --> 01:02:22,680
it entirely up to you

1324
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:25,829
what is interesting is that certainly

1325
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:28,410
individuals that have had you know

1326
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:30,359
podcast and so on

1327
01:02:34,849 --> 01:02:32,460
I've emailed them all and said I'll

1328
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:34,859
gladly discuss this with you off you

1329
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:38,249
know on your show but they haven't taken

1330
01:02:43,249 --> 01:02:40,170
up the offer well you know I think that

1331
01:02:45,229 --> 01:02:43,259
speaks volumes as well mmm it's like if

1332
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:45,239
I was going to do a radio show about

1333
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:47,910
Roswell well I know the main Roswell

1334
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:50,130
researches are sadly one of them is no

1335
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:52,859
longer with us in Stan Friedman to

1336
01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:55,049
perhaps go to Kevin round alright on

1337
01:03:02,329 --> 01:02:57,180
Schmidt oh you know that would be

1338
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:02,339
obvious mm-hmm so you know and anything

1339
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:04,200
you you know if they contacted me about

1340
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:05,880
something I'd gladly take them up on

1341
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,670
that offer be stupid not you well I

1342
01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:10,559
could say I have emailed various

1343
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:14,579
individuals who've been you know making

1344
01:03:18,380 --> 01:03:16,710
various statements about this film and

1345
01:03:23,479 --> 01:03:18,390
I've set out I'd rather discuss this

1346
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:23,489
with you but so far no takers sometimes

1347
01:03:29,289 --> 01:03:27,359
yeah sometimes it's that the truth is

1348
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:29,299
not as important as the you know

1349
01:03:34,729 --> 01:03:32,339
convenient big ignorance you know or a

1350
01:03:39,019 --> 01:03:34,739
glamorization of what's not you know

1351
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:39,029
true so it's I think you know the better

1352
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:40,980
idea we have a truth the better idea we

1353
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:43,470
know what's going on and and you know

1354
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:45,390
there's definitely a mystery surrounding

1355
01:03:52,210 --> 01:03:48,059
all of this and it's just intriguing how

1356
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:52,220
long this mystery has you know and and

1357
01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:57,599
wild claims have gone on I can't thank

1358
01:04:02,660 --> 01:04:00,839
you enough for coming on pleasure right

1359
01:04:05,059 --> 01:04:02,670
I mean I have a huge literally excite

1360
01:04:07,579 --> 01:04:05,069
next to me as it is an old metal filing

1361
01:04:09,859 --> 01:04:07,589
cabinet so all my research is in there

1362
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,869
how they all scammed in a couple of

1363
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:11,880
years [\h__\h] a colleague by the name of

1364
01:04:16,579 --> 01:04:13,980
Steve Maris candy all intimate so what

1365
01:04:18,499 --> 01:04:16,589
kind still some of us can last night so

1366
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:18,509
it's all condensed into my book or

1367
01:04:22,169 --> 01:04:20,049
pretty much all of it

1368
01:04:25,439 --> 01:04:22,179
it's just correspondence there's no no

1369
01:04:27,509 --> 01:04:25,449
factual information in it because this

1370
01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:27,519
was the days of course before like I

1371
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,420
said before email most of it and like I

1372
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:36,160
said somebody said well you know what

1373
01:04:41,849 --> 01:04:38,529
can you do to have this information

1374
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:41,859
available so like I said all I can do is

1375
01:04:46,349 --> 01:04:44,559
make my book free of charge you know if

1376
01:04:49,439 --> 01:04:46,359
anybody wants to contact me and would

1377
01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:49,449
like a PDF I must have sent help already

1378
01:04:56,910 --> 01:04:53,380
over 100 copies and that will stay on on

1379
01:04:59,699 --> 01:04:56,920
the table indefinitely if anybody wants

1380
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,709
a free PDF copy of my book just contact

1381
01:05:02,339 --> 01:05:01,359
me and you can have one with the

1382
01:05:04,529 --> 01:05:02,349
greatest pleasure

1383
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:04,539
it's not a trick so a constant is just a

1384
01:05:07,739 --> 01:05:07,119
book and you can either really or delete

1385
01:05:09,539 --> 01:05:07,749
it whatever

1386
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:09,549
what is interesting I've sent it to all

1387
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,410
those that have been making comments

1388
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:12,880
about it as well I said yeah I think you

1389
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:14,890
better see you better read my book first

1390
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:17,410
it seemed that you haven't you know no

1391
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:20,529
disrespect I think you need to be up to

1392
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,650
date but what can I say rain you know

1393
01:05:28,469 --> 01:05:26,079
I'm not going to call anybody any names

1394
01:05:33,319 --> 01:05:28,479
that would be counterproductive all I

1395
01:05:38,489 --> 01:05:33,329
can say is if anyone in the in ufology

1396
01:05:42,689 --> 01:05:38,499
today would want the alien autopsy film

1397
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:42,699
to be real it would be me I spent 14

1398
01:05:50,849 --> 01:05:47,920
years investigating it put in thousands

1399
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:50,859
of hours I have no idea how much money

1400
01:05:57,749 --> 01:05:55,689
it cost me because raised like I say 200

1401
01:06:00,929 --> 01:05:57,759
miles from us that's nothing in America

1402
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:00,939
I know but it's it is you know I could

1403
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:03,249
go to his office's props once a month

1404
01:06:09,989 --> 01:06:06,910
drive there and take time off work you I

1405
01:06:11,729 --> 01:06:09,999
mean you name it Albert pasted work I

1406
01:06:13,769 --> 01:06:11,739
was a technician in a factory I would

1407
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:13,779
work 12 hours in the factory the

1408
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:15,729
following day I would work 12 hours on

1409
01:06:22,049 --> 01:06:18,209
the alien autopsy film such was the

1410
01:06:24,209 --> 01:06:22,059
commitment and so if this ain't on and I

1411
01:06:27,179 --> 01:06:24,219
was accused as I've said of all kinds of

1412
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:27,189
things so if as anybody would would want

1413
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:31,359
to say oops I got it wrong you know it

1414
01:06:37,810 --> 01:06:34,070
is real after all it

1415
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:37,820
me but unfortunately that's not the case

1416
01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:42,190
I'm not wrong I never set out to debunk

1417
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:44,840
anything I just followed where the

1418
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:47,180
evidence led me and sometimes you just

1419
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:49,490
read me round and round in circles and

1420
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:52,370
getting nowhere but I kept at it and

1421
01:06:56,740 --> 01:06:54,770
somebody said oh you know do you have

1422
01:06:58,810 --> 01:06:56,750
been asked this question a few times you

1423
01:07:00,850 --> 01:06:58,820
think you know you followed you you

1424
01:07:03,370 --> 01:07:00,860
suffered because this film turned out to

1425
01:07:06,340 --> 01:07:03,380
be afraid I said no I don't actually

1426
01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:06,350
because there were a number of people

1427
01:07:11,410 --> 01:07:08,990
quite rightly dismissed it as a hoax

1428
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:11,420
from day one but dismissing it and

1429
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:13,370
proving it is two different things

1430
01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:16,160
there's nothing really that obvious on

1431
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:18,350
that film that you can point out Ryan

1432
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:22,370
and say there look look at that that

1433
01:07:26,650 --> 01:07:24,950
shows it's a fake you know that they're

1434
01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:26,660
not wearing a digital wristwatch you're

1435
01:07:32,650 --> 01:07:30,740
like you know ask whatever so just to

1436
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:32,660
say it's a fake he's the easiest thing

1437
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:35,570
to do and I said at the end of the day

1438
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:38,960
it was a UFO researcher that dogged we

1439
01:07:43,540 --> 01:07:42,050
stuck out this and finally got got to

1440
01:07:45,790 --> 01:07:43,550
the bottom of the art and that research

1441
01:07:48,610 --> 01:07:45,800
was of course me I was assisted by

1442
01:07:53,110 --> 01:07:48,620
colleagues down the years Mark Center in

1443
01:07:54,340 --> 01:07:53,120
the u.s. is one of the main ones people

1444
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:54,350
you've probably never heard of Tim

1445
01:07:59,320 --> 01:07:56,570
Matthews in the okay I've got a road in

1446
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,330
Norway mauricio by otter in Italy

1447
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:01,520
Michael has someone in Germany and a

1448
01:08:09,340 --> 01:08:06,680
number of a number of others but I just

1449
01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:09,350
followed the evidence and eventually the

1450
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:11,720
evidence led down the road will be

1451
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:14,690
cheaper I used to say to myself Brian is

1452
01:08:18,849 --> 01:08:16,310
that what every now and again I would

1453
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:18,859
shake the alien autopsy tree and see

1454
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:20,870
what fell out of it sometime nothing did

1455
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:24,050
but sometimes a little gem stick and I

1456
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:25,970
followed them or once I got on the trail

1457
01:08:33,010 --> 01:08:29,359
you know I wasn't going to light up once

1458
01:08:36,190 --> 01:08:33,020
once we found out and prove that despite

1459
01:08:38,230 --> 01:08:36,200
what sound Tilly's may say that the only

1460
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:38,240
enough sorry that the tempo tease was a

1461
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:41,180
fake and I spoke to the individuals in

1462
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:44,210
person and their employees or what also

1463
01:08:47,789 --> 01:08:46,670
involved then I thought well if ifs

1464
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:47,799
Antilles

1465
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:50,980
prepared to have this film as a fake

1466
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:53,390
saying what's he saying about the rest

1467
01:08:59,470 --> 01:08:56,690
of it then don't forget we've kind of

1468
01:09:01,870 --> 01:08:59,480
forgotten about it so until it was under

1469
01:09:05,950 --> 01:09:01,880
a lot of pressure to produce something

1470
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,960
about the cameraman so he came out with

1471
01:09:09,849 --> 01:09:08,000
what is called the cameraman's interview

1472
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:09,859
he said oh boy with our hat on and

1473
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:12,410
glasses sat in front of a camera it's

1474
01:09:16,690 --> 01:09:14,930
dimly lit and he's got a list of

1475
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,700
questions that have been supplied to him

1476
01:09:21,820 --> 01:09:19,120
in each us answers them and that's it

1477
01:09:24,460 --> 01:09:21,830
there's filmed on video so you know it's

1478
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:24,470
it's dimly you can just he just turn up

1479
01:09:29,979 --> 01:09:25,930
the brightness and see the guy's face

1480
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:29,989
you know this was delivered our copy of

1481
01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:32,690
it was delivered to TV producer Bob

1482
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:36,440
tibia Bob made alien autopsy fact or

1483
01:09:43,660 --> 01:09:41,810
fiction cause it's a fake this is an old

1484
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,670
boy they picked up off the street took

1485
01:09:49,210 --> 01:09:45,920
off false nose on him and they just said

1486
01:09:50,860 --> 01:09:49,220
here read this out so you know they give

1487
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:50,870
him the answers to the questions already

1488
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:53,450
it was filmed in America and Bob will

1489
01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:54,920
tell you that ok don't have to believe

1490
01:09:58,030 --> 01:09:55,460
me

1491
01:10:01,410 --> 01:09:58,040
go on us Bob give it he'll tell you how

1492
01:10:05,050 --> 01:10:01,420
it all transpired so there you've got a

1493
01:10:06,610 --> 01:10:05,060
10-foot is being proven a fake you've

1494
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,620
got the camera knives interviewer which

1495
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:08,480
are the only body is seen by the way

1496
01:10:14,290 --> 01:10:10,489
right and it was actually and they'll

1497
01:10:16,540 --> 01:10:14,300
say oh well well we did they actually

1498
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:16,550
sold it to TV in Japan and it was shown

1499
01:10:20,710 --> 01:10:18,770
on Japanese television and there is a

1500
01:10:22,660 --> 01:10:20,720
copy of the online complete with

1501
01:10:26,290 --> 01:10:22,670
Japanese subtitles running across the

1502
01:10:29,050 --> 01:10:26,300
bottom of it so whole so Santilli even

1503
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,060
sold another fake film so they they're

1504
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:31,040
at both ends you know they have bookends

1505
01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:35,770
ten footage fake caramels interview fake

1506
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:37,910
so what does it say about the other

1507
01:10:42,430 --> 01:10:39,860
three films the two autopsies in the

1508
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:42,440
debris footage mm-hmm

1509
01:10:48,490 --> 01:10:46,730
they're also fake you know and I could

1510
01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:48,500
say oh well let's go down the

1511
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,780
restoration why would you make two that

1512
01:10:54,370 --> 01:10:52,640
are two and he doesn't mention it now

1513
01:10:56,380 --> 01:10:54,380
again when they were talking to shoe

1514
01:10:58,900 --> 01:10:56,390
field the other day I'm thinking

1515
01:11:01,240 --> 01:10:58,910
asked him the question asked you ask him

1516
01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:01,250
about the other autopsy film and see

1517
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:04,070
excuse to give for that no have an

1518
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:06,890
excuse for it don't get me wrong but if

1519
01:11:13,090 --> 01:11:09,110
you think of it logically there's no

1520
01:11:16,570 --> 01:11:13,100
reason to make - yeah raided a

1521
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:16,580
documentary called alien autopsy a man

1522
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:18,650
investigates Eamonn Holmes is a is a

1523
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:20,510
well-known TV presenter here in the UK

1524
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,050
and they made this prior to their movie

1525
01:11:26,830 --> 01:11:25,760
coming out and it was then that Santilli

1526
01:11:29,710 --> 01:11:26,840
changed his story

1527
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:29,720
Sam well it films not real we told you

1528
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:31,480
everything that you see on there is real

1529
01:11:36,730 --> 01:11:34,340
and by the way it's not it's actually a

1530
01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:36,740
restoration and we put bits of film in

1531
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:40,040
it and well if you made one restoration

1532
01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:43,010
why did you make - why we show the other

1533
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:45,950
one I've seen it so like the last some

1534
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:49,370
you know some tall tale as to why they

1535
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:51,890
count them low and so on but it doesn't

1536
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:54,800
make any sense does it no no there's

1537
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:57,920
there's there's so much of this that

1538
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:01,280
that doesn't and it's it's just

1539
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:05,060
fascinating how it just seems like you

1540
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,610
know if you if you have anything to say

1541
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:10,400
about it and it's not glorifying it that

1542
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:12,140
it's just kind of swept under the rug

1543
01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:17,360
and that's what makes me wonder if there

1544
01:12:24,910 --> 01:12:20,030
aren't factions that are more interested

1545
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:24,920
in disinformation than information well

1546
01:12:29,650 --> 01:12:27,020
I I don't know whether the you know the

1547
01:12:31,630 --> 01:12:29,660
memos come from I don't know maybe it's

1548
01:12:33,730 --> 01:12:31,640
come from the Edgar Mitchell archives I

1549
01:12:36,730 --> 01:12:33,740
don't know that's what some people are

1550
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:36,740
speculating it is only speculation and

1551
01:12:41,950 --> 01:12:39,770
I'll say that but who leaked it you know

1552
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:41,960
who has access to this information and

1553
01:12:46,540 --> 01:12:43,730
who leaked it and why did they do that

1554
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,550
but I'll let others answer that question

1555
01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:49,520
you know that this obviously happened in

1556
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:51,230
the u.s. so it's only right it's

1557
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:53,090
pointless 20 of us trying to find the

1558
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:54,710
same answer this if there's one or two

1559
01:12:59,400 --> 01:12:56,690
of that are already on the trail let

1560
01:13:03,220 --> 01:12:59,410
them get on with it and see what happens

1561
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,230
so you know you know the story of the

1562
01:13:08,410 --> 01:13:06,080
memos that have been released the

1563
01:13:12,940 --> 01:13:08,420
backstory is just as important is a

1564
01:13:14,980 --> 01:13:12,950
where did they come from and why were

1565
01:13:17,770 --> 01:13:14,990
the released and who leaked

1566
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:17,780
you know that's an important part of the

1567
01:13:22,090 --> 01:13:19,760
story which Amish I'm sure will unravel

1568
01:13:23,860 --> 01:13:22,100
at some point mm-hmm but I'll just stick

1569
01:13:27,370 --> 01:13:23,870
with what I know and that's the alien

1570
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:27,380
autopsy film and again you see silly

1571
01:13:36,670 --> 01:13:31,070
comments on online what do you know

1572
01:13:39,820 --> 01:13:36,680
about it mal you know I mean there's a

1573
01:13:41,770 --> 01:13:39,830
whole generation you know growing up not

1574
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:41,780
because he hasn't been in the public

1575
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:44,510
eyes you know it's still debated and

1576
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:46,370
discussed you know on various little

1577
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,710
Facebook pages and so on

1578
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:50,960
and I just flipped my shoulders you know

1579
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:53,930
what what can I say I can't I can't say

1580
01:13:58,570 --> 01:13:56,390
to that individual this is what I've

1581
01:13:59,980 --> 01:13:58,580
learned over 14 years because I would it

1582
01:14:02,140 --> 01:13:59,990
would take me forever to write it all I

1583
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:02,150
can say is look she came out with free

1584
01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:04,730
copy of my book I've got better things

1585
01:14:11,710 --> 01:14:07,700
to do with my time but I really have but

1586
01:14:14,890 --> 01:14:11,720
you know so the accusations are already

1587
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:14,900
already there you know I don't blame the

1588
01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:17,060
individuals in question they they they

1589
01:14:22,990 --> 01:14:20,600
they can't know everything about every

1590
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:23,000
UFO case on every piece of film you know

1591
01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:25,130
I mean I understand that but just she

1592
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:26,540
was a little bit of care to say that

1593
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:29,450
that would be that would be better okay

1594
01:14:33,490 --> 01:14:31,250
I'm sorry I don't know of your

1595
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:33,500
involvement in it Mr Mol could you tell

1596
01:14:37,660 --> 01:14:35,360
us well you know the way to approach it

1597
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:37,670
not just say ah shut up you're a deep

1598
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:40,550
bunker I'm not a deep bunker I just

1599
01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:44,150
followed the researcher and this is what

1600
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,060
I found which is what we're supposed to

1601
01:14:51,670 --> 01:14:49,280
do is it not Ryan this is exactly what

1602
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:51,680
we're supposed to do this Alex at the

1603
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:53,750
end of the day turns out to be fake its

1604
01:14:57,940 --> 01:14:56,510
fake if it was real it's real but on

1605
01:15:01,570 --> 01:14:57,950
this occasion took me a long time

1606
01:15:04,660 --> 01:15:01,580
putting fake oh it's wonderful that this

1607
01:15:06,670 --> 01:15:04,670
is this is you know if this is why it's

1608
01:15:08,710 --> 01:15:06,680
considered like you said you follow G

1609
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,720
like the greats and like Stanton

1610
01:15:16,690 --> 01:15:11,600
Friedman and you know if you don't have

1611
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,700
the opinion too and need to find the

1612
01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:18,320
truth about something and you're just

1613
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:21,950
going to blindly believe it then it's

1614
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:24,770
just all fantasy and and and and

1615
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:28,250
fairytale and yeah yeah this is

1616
01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:28,880
important

1617
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:30,380
well you've mentioned the gentleman

1618
01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:32,390
there was widely regarded and widely

1619
01:15:37,450 --> 01:15:34,820
respected Stan Freeman

1620
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:37,460
god bless him I actually arranged for

1621
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:40,370
Stan to meet Sam Tilly and he did and I

1622
01:15:46,690 --> 01:15:42,770
think he they may have exchanged emails

1623
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:46,700
or faxes or whatever as well and there's

1624
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:48,440
you know you okay don't have to believe

1625
01:15:53,260 --> 01:15:51,410
me if you if you like Stan we will find

1626
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:53,270
a little video of Stan I think it runs

1627
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:55,850
for about seven or eight minutes listing

1628
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:59,120
the reasons why he thought Sam Julia was

1629
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:00,640
talking a load of bollocks

1630
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:03,410
okay don't have to believe me there's

1631
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:05,570
one of the you know that there was

1632
01:16:10,150 --> 01:16:08,510
well-respected individuals that's ever

1633
01:16:12,370 --> 01:16:10,160
been in the subject you can listen to

1634
01:16:14,710 --> 01:16:12,380
what he has to say if you like you know

1635
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:14,720
and I said no little video plus a few

1636
01:16:20,110 --> 01:16:17,710
other things to a collection of those

1637
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:20,120
reinventing the wheel and no comment

1638
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:24,080
from them no no comment but you know I

1639
01:16:31,090 --> 01:16:29,210
met Stan many times and and spoke to em

1640
01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:31,100
anyway yeah you know even had you know

1641
01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:33,790
dinner with him on a couple of occasions

1642
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:36,200
so yeah you know he knows he knew all

1643
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:38,810
about the alien autopsy film and they

1644
01:16:43,780 --> 01:16:41,570
said yeah it's fake so I think I think

1645
01:16:46,750 --> 01:16:43,790
what he found is even in one of his

1646
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:46,760
books as well as I forget which one off

1647
01:16:51,610 --> 01:16:48,370
the top of me I know he said he sees

1648
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:51,620
Holly's because he was the one was stem

1649
01:16:58,660 --> 01:16:54,890
when Santilli said you could see

1650
01:17:00,490 --> 01:16:58,670
President Truman on it still Stan you

1651
01:17:02,650 --> 01:17:00,500
know it's alright well that's something

1652
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:02,660
that can check so you went to the Truman

1653
01:17:07,570 --> 01:17:05,630
library and check the diary for

1654
01:17:09,670 --> 01:17:07,580
President Truman for the dates given to

1655
01:17:11,650 --> 01:17:09,680
but Ray Santilli and he was all

1656
01:17:13,810 --> 01:17:11,660
accounted for you know there was no

1657
01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:13,820
missing pages in the diary on his black

1658
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,800
face for anything like that all his

1659
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:17,120
appointments were there

1660
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:19,250
sometimes it's until he just plugged it

1661
01:17:24,130 --> 01:17:20,630
off like if like it is with anything

1662
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:24,140
else you know President Truman wasn't

1663
01:17:34,030 --> 01:17:29,210
there another lie it's it's it's a

1664
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:34,040
mysterious web of it's just intriguing

1665
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:36,620
and you know it's just it's so

1666
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,890
refreshing to get someone with so much

1667
01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:41,679
of the detail and

1668
01:17:46,830 --> 01:17:44,409
so much history and I just can't thank

1669
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:46,840
you enough for carving out the time out

1670
01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:50,170
of your day mr. mantle - to speak with

1671
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:51,820
us and and kind of set the record

1672
01:17:59,490 --> 01:17:56,100
straight and for those who you know

1673
01:18:01,700 --> 01:17:59,500
don't want the PDF and you want the like

1674
01:18:04,649 --> 01:18:01,710
me I like to pay you know the actual

1675
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:04,659
hard actual book I like the paper book

1676
01:18:10,020 --> 01:18:07,449
so I can like look at it anytime I want

1677
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:10,030
and you know you can find them on Amazon

1678
01:18:14,459 --> 01:18:12,489
as well I think they're like 12 bucks

1679
01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:14,469
they're not bad they're not not for the

1680
01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:17,590
information inside and a ton of other

1681
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:20,350
books that you've written I was just

1682
01:18:26,459 --> 01:18:24,370
astounded by the oh yeah I'm now a

1683
01:18:28,979 --> 01:18:26,469
small-time publisher Ryan this is my

1684
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:28,989
only commercial plug I run as a one-man

1685
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,739
operation called flying disc press and

1686
01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:34,480
being publishing books by other authors

1687
01:18:40,290 --> 01:18:38,860
as well but a few years now from people

1688
01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:40,300
parts of the world one of the things I

1689
01:18:45,060 --> 01:18:42,190
wanted to do was to try whatever

1690
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,070
possible to provide information from

1691
01:18:48,689 --> 01:18:46,960
parts of the world that perhaps you

1692
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:48,699
weren't familiar with as far as you

1693
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:51,100
apology was concerned so the first book

1694
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:53,159
I probably was from Poland for example

1695
01:18:58,830 --> 01:18:56,290
followed up by one from Romania and I've

1696
01:19:00,800 --> 01:18:58,840
done oh no one from Italy so you know

1697
01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:00,810
all the books are pretty different

1698
01:19:06,540 --> 01:19:03,550
we even had a best-seller which was

1699
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:06,550
Calvin Parker's book Calvin was one of

1700
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:08,980
the two guys of the Eliam doctrine at

1701
01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:12,730
Pascagoula on October the 11th 1973

1702
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:14,710
Calvin's book is called the closest

1703
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:18,400
encounter it was an Amazon Priscilla and

1704
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:20,590
I you know I'm in the process of

1705
01:19:25,410 --> 01:19:23,050
updating that because that's a whole

1706
01:19:27,709 --> 01:19:25,420
other story Brian we found lots of new

1707
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:27,719
information about that particular event

1708
01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:30,760
and literally the weekend that's just

1709
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:33,719
just gone and the town of pascagoula

1710
01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:37,120
unveiled an official historic memorial a

1711
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,750
market to the event and it was done by

1712
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:43,120
the mayor and Calvin of course was

1713
01:19:49,979 --> 01:19:46,330
present and along with some of Charlie

1714
01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:49,989
hixton's family Charlie died in 2011 so

1715
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:52,750
that's my only commercial plug and it's

1716
01:19:57,029 --> 01:19:54,280
it's a good plug because it's a

1717
01:20:01,799 --> 01:19:57,039
amazing website with you know great

1718
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:01,809
books on there and definitely I hope we

1719
01:20:06,689 --> 01:20:04,510
speak again I'm sure we'll see more of

1720
01:20:08,549 --> 01:20:06,699
this come to fruition and and and just

1721
01:20:10,979 --> 01:20:08,559
many many thanks and I'm honored to have

1722
01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:10,989
you speak with us thank you so much mr.

1723
01:20:14,189 --> 01:20:11,590
mantel

1724
01:20:15,899 --> 01:20:14,199
it's my pleasure Ryan and let's see

1725
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:15,909
where the story goes shall we alright

1726
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:19,510
have a great one Bob I doubt take care

1727
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:23,760
of all the best bye bye gentlemen

1728
01:20:31,049 --> 01:20:29,530
Philip Mantle's opinion on this scenario

1729
01:20:34,529 --> 01:20:31,059
which we've all been scratching our

1730
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:34,539
heads about we're talking about what

1731
01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:36,250
amazing research this guy's done he's

1732
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:40,030
been you know involved since 1979 with

1733
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:43,090
this UFO research and part of the

1734
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:45,820
British UFO research Association the

1735
01:20:52,649 --> 01:20:50,409
York Shire UFO Society he's appointed to

1736
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:52,659
the Council of management of all kinds

1737
01:20:59,129 --> 01:20:56,650
of you know some sequential press

1738
01:21:00,810 --> 01:20:59,139
officers and organizers and secretaries

1739
01:21:03,450 --> 01:21:00,820
to the national investigations committee

1740
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:03,460
I mean just not somebody who's going to

1741
01:21:10,799 --> 01:21:07,690
pull your chain and it's just really

1742
01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:10,809
refreshing to have somebody that is as

1743
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:14,380
busy as he is and as involved as he is

1744
01:21:19,919 --> 01:21:16,210
take time out of their day to talk to

1745
01:21:22,109 --> 01:21:19,929
somebody like me about this but I happy

1746
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:22,119
that he did because it's you know we're

1747
01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:24,520
seeing a lot of the same names come up I

1748
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:28,150
think he mentioned Bob caveat and we've

1749
01:21:36,180 --> 01:21:30,489
got Ray Santilli kicked green with

1750
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:36,190
connections to Ron Pandolfi this goes I

1751
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:39,010
mean the the entanglement and the

1752
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:40,840
connections of how this information is

1753
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:42,340
disseminated and how some of the

1754
01:21:49,950 --> 01:21:47,280
disinformation is just spoon-fed is

1755
01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:49,960
fascinating to me it really is an

1756
01:21:54,359 --> 01:21:52,030
information war and I kind of wish you

1757
01:21:56,700 --> 01:21:54,369
know a lot of people have said this I

1758
01:21:58,290 --> 01:21:56,710
wish Alex Jones wouldn't I got that but

1759
01:22:00,660 --> 01:21:58,300
that's exactly you know wouldn't it got

1760
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:00,670
that website or that name but he was you

1761
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:02,590
know at the time he knew what this was

1762
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:04,150
and that's really what we're talking

1763
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:04,910
about as an in

1764
01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:07,250
nation war regardless of your opinion of

1765
01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:10,580
Alex Jones but there are information

1766
01:22:15,730 --> 01:22:13,550
wars on either side which in my opinion

1767
01:22:17,470 --> 01:22:15,740
could be the same side because really

1768
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:17,480
and truly the higher you get up and the

1769
01:22:25,540 --> 01:22:20,290
more this is about power money and

1770
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:25,550
control the politics go out the window

1771
01:22:32,290 --> 01:22:29,900
this is really in truly a situation of

1772
01:22:35,650 --> 01:22:32,300
information wars and disinformation Wars

1773
01:22:39,130 --> 01:22:35,660
and Philip mantle has really you know

1774
01:22:43,180 --> 01:22:39,140
done his homework he has been extremely

1775
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:43,190
active and when it comes to knowing his

1776
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,840
thing without a doubt this was in my

1777
01:22:54,250 --> 01:22:49,760
opinion the person to talk to about this

1778
01:22:57,610 --> 01:22:54,260
situation and give us a clear

1779
01:22:59,410 --> 01:22:57,620
understanding of the history like he

1780
01:23:02,160 --> 01:22:59,420
said I mean he's so altruistic he's

1781
01:23:04,930 --> 01:23:02,170
willing to give his book away for free I

1782
01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:04,940
highly recommend buying it on Amazon

1783
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:08,840
believe it's $12.99 good book good read

1784
01:23:17,770 --> 01:23:15,410
and yeah it's it's it's just the reality

1785
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:17,780
of truth so I feel so blessed to have

1786
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,920
the man with the plan

1787
01:23:24,820 --> 01:23:21,440
Philip mantle come on and just drop

1788
01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:24,830
knowledge and spread truth that that's

1789
01:23:31,420 --> 01:23:28,580
just I'm appreciative of that and thank

1790
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:31,430
you for all listening in you guys have

1791
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:33,410
to support me a little bit I was looking

1792
01:23:38,770 --> 01:23:35,690
at my gosh we're dropping bombs left and

1793
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:38,780
right stuff about the epicenter of the U

1794
01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:42,800
and a basin going off hitting on topics

1795
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:48,200
of the Edgar Mitchell leaks speaking

1796
01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:52,310
with X nits scientists talking with MDA

1797
01:23:58,510 --> 01:23:56,540
holders at particular facilities I am

1798
01:24:01,300 --> 01:23:58,520
going out of my way and I was looking to

1799
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:01,310
the other day I haven't got one dollar

1800
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,710
of patronage so I don't know maybe I'll

1801
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:06,080
have to like reformat this but if you

1802
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:08,210
have a chance go to hero paranormal dot

1803
01:24:16,090 --> 01:24:12,770
pod beam comm throw a guy a dollar throw

1804
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:16,100
me a bone I'll keep going and like

1805
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,570
tonight I have to get

1806
01:24:23,530 --> 01:24:19,520
like two in the morning to prefer

1807
01:24:25,209 --> 01:24:23,540
prepare for this interview because our

1808
01:24:28,270 --> 01:24:25,219
time differences are just so different

1809
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:28,280
and I wanted to make sure and get the

1810
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:31,040
information to you guys as soon as I got

1811
01:24:37,810 --> 01:24:33,409
it and I think that's important in this

1812
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:37,820
community I was speaking with some other

1813
01:24:43,839 --> 01:24:41,630
people and researchers who are checking

1814
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:43,849
things out and we've we've decided that

1815
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:45,530
yeah there's just not enough of us

1816
01:24:51,939 --> 01:24:48,770
questioning the status quo and asking

1817
01:24:54,669 --> 01:24:51,949
the difficult questions to get the

1818
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,679
answers that we need to make informed

1819
01:24:59,979 --> 01:24:56,480
choices you know this isn't all just

1820
01:25:03,399 --> 01:24:59,989
conspiracy 24/7 I'm all for conspiracy

1821
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:03,409
but there's an important task at hand

1822
01:25:10,419 --> 01:25:05,750
and that's just you know drawing the

1823
01:25:12,490 --> 01:25:10,429
line between reality and what's not so

1824
01:25:15,970 --> 01:25:12,500
thanks so much for listening check us

1825
01:25:19,149 --> 01:25:15,980
out we got t-shirts hats and some other

1826
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:19,159
stuff on hero paranormal comm you can

1827
01:25:27,129 --> 01:25:22,159
also check out what else is going on

1828
01:25:29,859 --> 01:25:27,139
there you can I believe link up to the

1829
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:29,869
podcast as well and we're also putting

1830
01:25:36,069 --> 01:25:32,090
our podcasts on YouTube too so make sure

1831
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:36,079
and subscribe on YouTube you can find

1832
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,510
all that through our Facebook and social

1833
01:25:44,850 --> 01:25:41,360
media stuff and that's usually done

1834
01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:44,860
through hero paranormal on Facebook or

1835
01:25:50,169 --> 01:25:48,020
SWR on facebook which stands for space

1836
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:50,179
wolf research you'll find out what

1837
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:53,810
that's about literally in about two

1838
01:26:00,129 --> 01:25:57,770
weeks which is super crazy crazy stuff

1839
01:26:02,620 --> 01:26:00,139
that I can't even tell you where this

1840
01:26:05,649 --> 01:26:02,630
this is going this research perspective

1841
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:05,659
and the podcast will be there there's

1842
01:26:10,419 --> 01:26:08,900
also more stuff coming out that I

1843
01:26:11,890 --> 01:26:10,429
probably shouldn't talk too much about

1844
01:26:16,270 --> 01:26:11,900
but if you go on our social media sites

1845
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:16,280
hero paranormal and on Facebook and SWR

1846
01:26:20,649 --> 01:26:17,840
on facebook you'll find more out about

1847
01:26:24,250 --> 01:26:20,659
it also check us out grab a hat grab a

1848
01:26:26,620 --> 01:26:24,260
t-shirt at hero paranormal com there's

1849
01:26:29,359 --> 01:26:26,630
also stuff there from the utah UFO

1850
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:29,369
Hunters and Dave Rosenfeld

1851
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,530
and will be soon to have other things on

1852
01:26:37,639 --> 01:26:33,840
there too from other local researchers

1853
01:26:41,179 --> 01:26:37,649
anyway support us any way you can and if

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you're needing to download a podcast and

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you're jumping on a flight or something

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like that go to hero paranormal dot pod

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key pod beam calm and I need a second

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01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:52,979
cup of coffee because it's about 5:00 in

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the morning here and I just I'm still

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01:26:58,819 --> 01:26:57,449
kind of just excited about talking to

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Philip what a wealth of knowledge

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support the guy go to Amazon buy his

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book go to the flying disc press great

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website and it's the flying disc press

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dot blog spot.com or if you just google

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flying disc press that will take you

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01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:18,719
there Philip mantle ladies and gentlemen

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